He Keeps Changing the Monopoly Money: Managing Difficult Threat Assessment Interviews
- Dr. Brian Van Brunt

- Dec 4, 2025
- 6 min read
Updated: Jan 4

If you do this work long enough, every threat assessment interview starts to feel a little like sitting down to play a board game where the other person keeps quietly swapping out the rules. One minute, you think you’re playing Monopoly. The next minute, they’ve pulled out Uno cards, flipped the board, and are insisting it’s Texas Hold ’Em.
It’s tempting, in that moment, to go full authoritarian: push all your chips in, remind them who’s in charge, and demand that they play our game, our way. After all, we’re the ones tasked with safety, documentation, and decision-making. If they’re disrespectful, combative, evasive, ranting for 30 minutes straight, or clearly impaired, it’s easy to think, “Fine. If you won’t play by the rules, I’ll just shut this down.”
But here’s the uncomfortable truth: if the purpose of the interview is to gather information to score our threat checklist and rubric accurately, we can’t afford to treat every interaction like a power struggle. Our actual job is not to “win” the interaction. Our job is to come out the other side with usable data, so we can sit down with Pathways, DarkFox, or whatever tool we use, and say, with a straight face.
When managing difficult threat assessment interviews, we must be willing to flex. Within reason. Within safety. Within professional boundaries. But yes, flex.
The Real Goal: Filling in the Boxes, Not Winning the Argument
A funny thing happens in threat interviews: we forget what we’re actually there to do. On paper, it’s simple. We have a process. A rubric. A checklist. Some system we’ve all promised we’ll use:
Are there direct threats?
Is there a pathway toward violence?
What’s their access to means?
What grievance themes are present?
We’re there to populate those items. That’s the assignment.
In the room (or on Zoom), though, it can start to feel personal. The subject rolls in with attitude. They tell us they shouldn’t have to be here. They say things like, “You people aren’t qualified to judge me,” or “This is a witch hunt,” or “I’m only here because my lawyer said I had to be.”
Or, in our October 2025 New Orleans actor-based class, we had “Professor Harrington,” whose rules of the game were very clear:
He didn’t want to be there.
We were not to interrupt him, ever.
He would interrupt us whenever he wanted.
If we used any emotionally descriptive phrase, “you seem angry,” “this sounds frustrating,” “it seems like that hurt you,” he would immediately reject it and push back.
So, we have a choice. We can say, “Actually, we set the rules. We’ll run this like a formal hearing, and if you don’t comply, we’ll note that as non-cooperative behavior and move on.” That’s not wrong, especially if safety is actively in question.
But if our primary goal is to gather enough information to accurately score the risk, that approach is often wildly inefficient. We get short, hostile, surface-level answers. We learn more about how much they dislike authority than about their grievance, coping strategies, or actual capacity for harm.
The checklist remains mostly empty. But hey, at least we “won,” right?
Letting Them Deal the Cards (Within Reason)
What if, instead, we treated the interview more like joining a game in progress?
They walk in already playing something: “I’m the misunderstood genius,” or “I’m the wrongly accused victim,” or “I’m the only sane person in a world of idiots.”
They have rules:
You will not label my emotions.
You will not challenge my narrative without a fight.
You will let me talk for long stretches without cutting me off.
You will not use certain words with me, or I’ll shut down.
Those rules are not obstacles to the assessment. They provide information about the assessment.
If someone says, “Don’t interrupt me,” and we can safely let them run for a bit, we may get a rich, unfiltered narrative that lights up half our rubric. We’ll hear their grievances, their sense of injustice, their target(s), their justifications, their self-image, and their language around harm and consequence. We’ll know exactly which Darkfox boxes are glowing.
If someone uses intense, vulgar language, swearing, slurs, violent imagery, that’s not just “disrespect.” That’s them showing us how they conceptualize conflict. Their rule might be, “I use powerful, raw language to tell you how serious this is.” If we can hear that without flinching, we get a clearer view of their internal world.
On the flip side, if someone stops us cold when we say something as mild as, “Wow, that sounds like a hell of a time,” and snaps, “Please don’t use that kind of language with me. This is a professional setting,” we’ve just learned a different rule. “Hell” is their threshold. That tells us something about their expectations of formality, respect, and control. It also tells us anything harsher than “hell” is likely to detonate the interaction.
Either way, those “rules” become entries in our internal rulebook:
This person expects high decorum and will react strongly to perceived informality.
This person expects raw, uncensored language and may read restraint as dishonesty or judgment.
We can’t, and shouldn’t, give them everything they want. We still protect ourselves, maintain professional boundaries, and step in if safety is at risk. But when it costs us nothing to adapt, and the adaptation yields better data for our checklist, why wouldn’t we?
Apologize Fast, Learn Faster
A simple, underrated skill in this work is the quick, clean apology that doubles as data collection. Let’s say you misstep. You use a phrase that lands badly. You mirror their slang, and they don’t like it. You crack a light comment that came out wrong. They call you on it.
In that moment, the goal is not to debate your intention. The goal is to keep the interview alive. Something like, “You’re right, that wasn’t the best way to say that. I’m sorry,” delivered sincerely and briefly, keeps things moving. You’ve honored their rule. You’ve not turned the moment into a separate trial about whether you are or are not a good person.
At the same time, a little mental note goes in your rulebook: Okay, that word is off-limits. Got it. That helps me predict how they’ll respond to other language, other authority figures, other settings.
You are constantly learning how to stay in bounds with this person so you can keep asking the important questions: about weapons, plans, fantasies, previous incidents, supports, and future triggers.
The Checklist Doesn’t Care if You Liked Them
At the end of the day, when you sit down in front of your threat rubric, it does not ask, “Were they rude?” or “Did they interrupt a lot?” or “Did you personally vibe with them?”
It asks things like:
Is there a direct or conditional threat?
Are there identifiable targets?
Is there evidence of planning or rehearsal?
What is their access to lethal means?
What grievance themes are present?
You can have the most emotionally satisfying power struggle in the world and still be unable to fill those boxes with anything more specific than, “They were a jerk.”
Or you can tolerate some messy rules of engagement, some talking over you, some uncomfortable language, some rigidity about how they’re addressed, and walk out with a rich dataset that lets you say, with clarity, “Here’s where they fall on this continuum. Here’s what increases risk. Here’s what lowers it. Here’s what we recommend next.”
The subject doesn’t have to like you. You don’t have to like them. But if you want to be useful to your team, you need enough information to score the thing you all agreed to use.
Playing the Long Game
None of this means letting go of your authority or abandoning boundaries. If someone becomes threatening, harassing, sexually inappropriate, or so dysregulated that the interview is unsafe or non-productive, you stop the game. You shift to a different tool: removal, security, emergency response, or hospitalization.
But up until that line, your willingness to flex, to adjust your pacing, your language, your level of structure, your tolerance for narrative, often determines how much real information you get. Think of it this way: they’re bringing the game, but you’re keeping the score.
Let them shuffle the Monopoly money a bit. Let them decide whether we’re playing with house rules or the official version. As long as you’re still able to ask what you need to ask and safety and professionalism remain intact, you don’t lose anything by adapting.
In fact, you gain exactly what the work demands: enough truth, enough detail, and enough context to sit with your checklist afterwards and say, “This isn’t just my gut feeling. This is a scored, structured assessment based on what we actually learned.”
And if that means sitting through a few extra rants or swallowing an eye-roll when they tell you you’re not qualified to judge them… well, that’s just part of the game.




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